richie napísal:ked pridu take baterky na trh, potom si to mozeme predebatovat - do toho casu su to stale len vzdusne zamky - poslednych 10rokov sa kazdorocne ohlasuje mnozstvo "revolucnych" bateriek a tehcnologii, ale realne dostupna stale nie je ani jedna z nich
a aj potom este stale ostane problem nabijaciek - teda distribucie elektriny - pretoze aj pre to nabijanie 4C potrebujes masivne posilnit rozvodnu/distribucnu siet (a nasledne potom samozrejme aj elektrarne)
richie napísal:k baterkam - to iste co vyssie - vzdusne zamky
Podla vsetkeho uz je to blizsie nez som myslel: "As a result, XPeng claims the G9 will be able to charge up to 200 km (124 mi) of range in five minutes, with a maximum energy efficiency of over 95%."
" XPeng is planning an SOP for the G9 sometime in Q3 of 2022"
"XPeng said it is also rolling out lightweight 480 kW high-voltage supercharging piles, with 670A+ flow rate capacity and IP67 protection, to provide safer and more convenient charging."
https://electrek.co/2021/11/18/xpeng-unveils-g9-suv-with-x-pilot-4-0-adas-and-ability-to-charge-200-km-in-5-minutes/a novsie info: "According to a CnEVPost report, one of the battery packs of the G9 will consist of Sunwoda-manufactured 4C power cells. "
https://topelectricsuv.com/news/xpeng/new-xpeng-suv-2022-details/"XPeng G9 deliveries are planned for October. But a lot of Chinese media sources consolidate around August-September."
https://carnewschina.com/2022/06/08/xpeng-g9-electric-suv-unveiled-with-551-hp-in-china/ richie napísal:- ad Norsko - nekorektna poznamka - pretoze tam to nie je iba o "akceptacii" obmedzeni, ale vstupuje do toho aj masivna dotacna politika pre EV,ktora umelo znevyhodnuje (zatial) ICE oproti EV - myslim, ze ak by na slovensku ponukali EV lacnejsie ako ICE (porovnatelna kategoria aj vybava), tak aj tu sa ich preda viac (pri nizsej cene by viacero kupcov akceptovalo obmedzenia a suvisace kompromisy pri prevadzke)
Ale ved to som prave napisal, ked bude vhodna cena/ulavy/dotacie ludia to akceptuju. A prijatelna cena bez dotacii bude az ked budu dostatocne vyrobne kapacity a konkurencne prostredie ako pri spalovacich autach.
Sa netvarme, ze EV je vyrobne tak dramaticky drahsie ako sa prezentuje a predava. EV bez baterie je bezpochyby lacnejsie nez kompletne spalovacie auto a cena baterii je:
"Lithium-ion battery pack prices averaged $132 per kwh in 2021—down from $140 per kwh in 2020—and $101 per kwh on a cell"
"However, higher raw material prices are already pushing prices back up, according to the report, which predicted a $135 kwh average pack price for 2022."
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1134307_report-ev-battery-costs-might-rise-in-2022Teda pre male baterie 40kWh bateriovy blok 5400 USD, bezny 60 kWh bateriovy blok 8000 USD, velke baterie 100 kWh 13500 USD.
Ked nieco ako Fabiu za 10 tisic E so spalovacim motorom vyrobia ako EV tak to nemoze stat viac ako 15 000 E a bude to mat WLTP dojazd okolo 250km.
richie napísal:ehm .. toto je imho blud
Ja si to nemyslim. Tesla ma 30% priemerny zisk na jednom aute a keby vyrobila tento rok aj 2-nasobok aut, tak preda 2-nasobok a zrejme sa bude aj tak cakat pol roka na nove auto, co je teraz u Tesly bezne.